2008
Minutes Archive
Town of Nolensville
Historic Zoning Commission
Regular Meeting
December 18, 2008 – 6:30 p.m.
Board Members Present: Wanda Barker, Bob Crigger, Betty Friedlander and Ken Thomas
Staff Members Present: Henry Laird and Cathi Little
CALL MEETING TO ORDER
The Meeting was called to order at 6:37 p.m. by Chair Wanda Barker.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
The Pledge of allegiance was led by Chair Barker.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Commissioner Ken Thomas made a motion to approve the minutes from the September 25, 2008, meeting of the Historic Zoning Commission. Commissioner Betty Friedlander seconded the motion. The motion passed unanimously.
CITIZEN COMMENTS
None
NEW BUSINESS
7280 Nolensville Road, Nolensville Feed Mill -- Request for exterior signs.
Planner Henry Laird stated that the Design Review Committee had met and discussed the sign issues in the historic district. The consensus of that committee was to consider the use of black, white or neutral colors for signs, as long as it appropriately fits in with the building and surroundings. The key sentence is: “All signs should be compatible with the building design, scale, color and materials.” The last paragraph states: “All signs in the district shall comply with the following standards in addition to the requirements of the Town Sign Ordinance. Where conflicts arise, these standards supersede the sign code.”
Matt Happel, the Design Review Committee Chairman, Mayor Beth Lothers, and attorney Bob Notestine all agree that if this Commission is willing to accept the responsibility, there is no need for color choices to go before the Board of Zoning Appeals. The Historic Zoning Commission will make decisions as to the appropriateness of signs in the historic district.
There was some discussion as to the size, colors and fonts of the signs. It was determined that the signs would be hanging, but not swinging. They will be attached under the porch roofs.
Commissioner Thomas made a motion to approve all 4 signs as submitted. Commissioner Friedlander seconded the motion, which passed unanimously.
OLD BUSINESS
It was discussed and decided that the vote for new officers of the commission will be postponed to the next meeting.
There was some discussion regarding Shop Girl. Planner Laird stated that the hanging sign with green was never approved through the BZA. They were also told that the portable folding sign was not permitted, but it is still being used. The door has been painted, but not completely, apparently they ran out of paint.
Commissioner Freidlander made a motion to accept the colors on the permanent hanging sign as it is, Ken Thomas seconded. The motion passed unanimously.
The Commission would like to have a letter sent to Shop Girl stating that the Commission has accepted of the colors of the permanent sign, ask that they finish painting the front door, and reiterate that the portable folding sign is not permitted.
ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was adjourned at 7:15 p.m.
Approved:
Ken Thomas, Secretary
Historic Zoning Commission
Regular Meeting
December 18, 2008 – 6:30 p.m.
Board Members Present: Wanda Barker, Bob Crigger, Betty Friedlander and Ken Thomas
Staff Members Present: Henry Laird and Cathi Little
CALL MEETING TO ORDER
The Meeting was called to order at 6:37 p.m. by Chair Wanda Barker.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
The Pledge of allegiance was led by Chair Barker.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Commissioner Ken Thomas made a motion to approve the minutes from the September 25, 2008, meeting of the Historic Zoning Commission. Commissioner Betty Friedlander seconded the motion. The motion passed unanimously.
CITIZEN COMMENTS
None
NEW BUSINESS
7280 Nolensville Road, Nolensville Feed Mill -- Request for exterior signs.
Planner Henry Laird stated that the Design Review Committee had met and discussed the sign issues in the historic district. The consensus of that committee was to consider the use of black, white or neutral colors for signs, as long as it appropriately fits in with the building and surroundings. The key sentence is: “All signs should be compatible with the building design, scale, color and materials.” The last paragraph states: “All signs in the district shall comply with the following standards in addition to the requirements of the Town Sign Ordinance. Where conflicts arise, these standards supersede the sign code.”
Matt Happel, the Design Review Committee Chairman, Mayor Beth Lothers, and attorney Bob Notestine all agree that if this Commission is willing to accept the responsibility, there is no need for color choices to go before the Board of Zoning Appeals. The Historic Zoning Commission will make decisions as to the appropriateness of signs in the historic district.
There was some discussion as to the size, colors and fonts of the signs. It was determined that the signs would be hanging, but not swinging. They will be attached under the porch roofs.
Commissioner Thomas made a motion to approve all 4 signs as submitted. Commissioner Friedlander seconded the motion, which passed unanimously.
OLD BUSINESS
It was discussed and decided that the vote for new officers of the commission will be postponed to the next meeting.
There was some discussion regarding Shop Girl. Planner Laird stated that the hanging sign with green was never approved through the BZA. They were also told that the portable folding sign was not permitted, but it is still being used. The door has been painted, but not completely, apparently they ran out of paint.
Commissioner Freidlander made a motion to accept the colors on the permanent hanging sign as it is, Ken Thomas seconded. The motion passed unanimously.
The Commission would like to have a letter sent to Shop Girl stating that the Commission has accepted of the colors of the permanent sign, ask that they finish painting the front door, and reiterate that the portable folding sign is not permitted.
ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was adjourned at 7:15 p.m.
Approved:
Ken Thomas, Secretary
Town of Nolensville
Historic Zoning Commission
Regular Meeting
September 25, 2008 – 6:30 p.m.
Board Members Present: Wanda Barker, Brant Brandon, Bob Crigger, Kirk Duclos and Ken Thomas
Staff Members Present: Henry Laird, Cathi Little and Attorney Bob Notestine
CALL MEETING TO ORDER
The Meeting was called to order at 6:30 p.m. by Chair Wanda Barker.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
The Pledge of allegiance was led by Chair Barker.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Commissioner Ken Thomas made a motion to approve the minutes from the May 29, 2007, meeting of the Historic Zoning Commission. Commissioner Bob Crigger seconded the motion. The motion passed unanimously.
CITIZEN COMMENTS
None
NEW BUSINESS
7292 Nolensville Road, ShopGirl -- Request for exterior door painting and freestanding sign.
Henry Laird, Town Planner, reviewed his memorandum to the Commission. He stated that they have applied for two parts. The first is to determine the appropriateness of the color on the front door, which had already been painted before they made this application. Mr. Laird stated that staff did not see the door color on the approved color list for the Historic District, and further stated that it would be up to this Commission to determine the appropriateness of the door color. The second item is for the Commission to determine the appropriateness of the sign, style-wise and if it fits in with the historic area. As far as the color part of it goes, the Sign Regulations restrict the actual coloring of the sign.
Chair Barker asked Ms. Sisk and Ms. Conley if they had met with Henry Laird and Don Swartz prior to painting the door. They stated they had met with them in April and were told that they should choose a historic color from the color chart. They liked the shade of green on the Nolensville Buttercup banner that was hanging in the historic district all Spring, stated that they wrongly assumed that since the banner was hanging in the historic district, then the color must have been approved. They went on to state that the same color was on the window of the Williams Grocery.
Chair Barker informed them that Williams Grocery, along with many other places in the historic area, have been there for a long time, even before the Town was incorporated, so the Historic Zoning Commission has no say in any of those businesses, as they are grandfathered in. Anything new must meet the Commission’s guidelines.
Commissioner Duclos asked Mr. Laird if the Sign Regulations require all signs to be in black and white. Mr. Laird stated that yes, the sign regulations were changed in the fall requiring all signs be black and white.
The applicants stated that Jay Nelson doesn’t have black and white, and the Williams’ is red and white.
Mr. Laird again restated that the majority of the sign regulations had been re-written last fall, and that those businesses were already in existence prior to that change. He went on to recommend that this Commission deal with the appropriateness of the sign, except for the color.
Attorney Notestine stated that the door color is definitely within this Commissions purview, because they are the custodians of the historic colors. The sign color is more complicated, since it is part of the zoning ordinance. If they want to get a variance for the sign color, they must make an application and go before the Board of Zoning Appeals.
Appendix A, Article 1.6.6 Material color and style, part D:
The color of the background shall be uniform on entire sign and letters shall be uniform on entire sign with dark background and color of letters shall be uniform on entire sign. If more than one sign is used, as in the case of a corner with two (2) frontages, both signs shall be uniform in color. All signs shall contain white lettering unless there is not enough contrast with the building surface material for reasonable legibility. In such cases, black lettering shall be used. Primary colors shall be prohibited and the use of high-intensity, or metallic colors shall be prohibited. Colors shall not be used as a form of advertising even though such color may be a trademark. Applicants shall request approval by the Planning Commission be made for any deviations from the requirements in this article (1.6.6).
Commissioner Duclos made a Motion to issue a certificate of appropriateness for the basic hanging sign, subject to the Board of Zoning Appeals’ approval of the color; Ken Thomas seconded, the motion passed unanimously.
The applicants asked if they would be allowed to place a portable sign on the porch to let the public know when the business is open. Mr. Laird stated that portable signs are prohibited by the ordinance. The applicants further stated that Mr. Swartz had told them that if they framed the sign, it would be allowed to be hung on the brick on the front of the building. Mr. Laird stated that he disagreed, it would still be considered a portable sign. Permanent signs are allowed on the wall and hanging or freestanding.
Commissioner Thomas made a motion to issue a certificate of appropriateness to paint the front door either Safari (#312-3) or Knights Armour (#530-7) by Porter Paint; Commissioner Duclos seconded; the motion passed unanimously.
There was some discussion regarding the colors allowed in the historic district. By acclamation, the Commission accepted Matt Happel’s offer of the Design Review Committee proposing several color schemes to be used in the historic district.
OLD BUSINESS
It was discussed and decided that a vote would be taken for new officers of the commission at the next meeting.
ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was adjourned at 7:15 p.m.
Approved:
Ken Thomas, Secretary
Historic Zoning Commission
Regular Meeting
September 25, 2008 – 6:30 p.m.
Board Members Present: Wanda Barker, Brant Brandon, Bob Crigger, Kirk Duclos and Ken Thomas
Staff Members Present: Henry Laird, Cathi Little and Attorney Bob Notestine
CALL MEETING TO ORDER
The Meeting was called to order at 6:30 p.m. by Chair Wanda Barker.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
The Pledge of allegiance was led by Chair Barker.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Commissioner Ken Thomas made a motion to approve the minutes from the May 29, 2007, meeting of the Historic Zoning Commission. Commissioner Bob Crigger seconded the motion. The motion passed unanimously.
CITIZEN COMMENTS
None
NEW BUSINESS
7292 Nolensville Road, ShopGirl -- Request for exterior door painting and freestanding sign.
Henry Laird, Town Planner, reviewed his memorandum to the Commission. He stated that they have applied for two parts. The first is to determine the appropriateness of the color on the front door, which had already been painted before they made this application. Mr. Laird stated that staff did not see the door color on the approved color list for the Historic District, and further stated that it would be up to this Commission to determine the appropriateness of the door color. The second item is for the Commission to determine the appropriateness of the sign, style-wise and if it fits in with the historic area. As far as the color part of it goes, the Sign Regulations restrict the actual coloring of the sign.
Chair Barker asked Ms. Sisk and Ms. Conley if they had met with Henry Laird and Don Swartz prior to painting the door. They stated they had met with them in April and were told that they should choose a historic color from the color chart. They liked the shade of green on the Nolensville Buttercup banner that was hanging in the historic district all Spring, stated that they wrongly assumed that since the banner was hanging in the historic district, then the color must have been approved. They went on to state that the same color was on the window of the Williams Grocery.
Chair Barker informed them that Williams Grocery, along with many other places in the historic area, have been there for a long time, even before the Town was incorporated, so the Historic Zoning Commission has no say in any of those businesses, as they are grandfathered in. Anything new must meet the Commission’s guidelines.
Commissioner Duclos asked Mr. Laird if the Sign Regulations require all signs to be in black and white. Mr. Laird stated that yes, the sign regulations were changed in the fall requiring all signs be black and white.
The applicants stated that Jay Nelson doesn’t have black and white, and the Williams’ is red and white.
Mr. Laird again restated that the majority of the sign regulations had been re-written last fall, and that those businesses were already in existence prior to that change. He went on to recommend that this Commission deal with the appropriateness of the sign, except for the color.
Attorney Notestine stated that the door color is definitely within this Commissions purview, because they are the custodians of the historic colors. The sign color is more complicated, since it is part of the zoning ordinance. If they want to get a variance for the sign color, they must make an application and go before the Board of Zoning Appeals.
Appendix A, Article 1.6.6 Material color and style, part D:
The color of the background shall be uniform on entire sign and letters shall be uniform on entire sign with dark background and color of letters shall be uniform on entire sign. If more than one sign is used, as in the case of a corner with two (2) frontages, both signs shall be uniform in color. All signs shall contain white lettering unless there is not enough contrast with the building surface material for reasonable legibility. In such cases, black lettering shall be used. Primary colors shall be prohibited and the use of high-intensity, or metallic colors shall be prohibited. Colors shall not be used as a form of advertising even though such color may be a trademark. Applicants shall request approval by the Planning Commission be made for any deviations from the requirements in this article (1.6.6).
Commissioner Duclos made a Motion to issue a certificate of appropriateness for the basic hanging sign, subject to the Board of Zoning Appeals’ approval of the color; Ken Thomas seconded, the motion passed unanimously.
The applicants asked if they would be allowed to place a portable sign on the porch to let the public know when the business is open. Mr. Laird stated that portable signs are prohibited by the ordinance. The applicants further stated that Mr. Swartz had told them that if they framed the sign, it would be allowed to be hung on the brick on the front of the building. Mr. Laird stated that he disagreed, it would still be considered a portable sign. Permanent signs are allowed on the wall and hanging or freestanding.
Commissioner Thomas made a motion to issue a certificate of appropriateness to paint the front door either Safari (#312-3) or Knights Armour (#530-7) by Porter Paint; Commissioner Duclos seconded; the motion passed unanimously.
There was some discussion regarding the colors allowed in the historic district. By acclamation, the Commission accepted Matt Happel’s offer of the Design Review Committee proposing several color schemes to be used in the historic district.
OLD BUSINESS
It was discussed and decided that a vote would be taken for new officers of the commission at the next meeting.
ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was adjourned at 7:15 p.m.
Approved:
Ken Thomas, Secretary
